wii

[el_diablo_nor]

i just bought wii and i found out that i can use it to surf the internet
isnt that cool
and i wrote this message whit
it

[aarseth]

hahaha , thats realy nice :D

[Timblesink]

The Wii pwns :D

I have one. Wario Ware is the best on it :p

[v3n0m]

The Wii pwns :D

I have one. Wario Ware is the best on it :pDont meen to burst your
bubble m8 but the Wii dosent PWN the 360 PWNS
in my opinion the Wii is only "next-gen" because of the remote thingys i once had a go on one at my uncles nd i was waving them stiks about nd these peeps was watching me laughing at me through the window :( it makes you look silly lol

[Timblesink]

Dont meen to burst your
bubble m8 but the Wii dosent PWN the 360 PWNS
in my opinion the Wii is only "next-gen" because of the remote thingys i once had a go on one at my uncles nd i was waving them stiks about nd these peeps was watching me laughing at me through the window :( it makes you look silly lol

They would laugh at you even if you weren't flailing uselessly :D

XBox 360 = Pretty, pretty much the same as last gen. The Wii is doing something new other than shinier mirrors and extra cancer inducing smoke.

[-X-Sublime]

smoke is good

[McCoy [1st RB]]

PS3 FTW!!! except not really

I still love the 360

[el_diablo_nor]

if some1 here have wii and has it connected
you could ad me as frind heres my code
00-17-ab-d7-5a-4e

[343Guiltyspark]

omg i could go on for hours on how wii is going to destroy gaming


but im not , because i have promised myself i would not be a fanboy on this board

[Jimmy]

Humour me. Please inform me how the Wii will destroy gaming. Because it seems to me that its bringing in non-gamers into gaming. How is that destroying it?

[343Guiltyspark]

Humour me. Please inform me how the Wii will destroy gaming. Because it seems to me that its bringing in non-gamers into gaming. How is that destroying it?

Sure the remote is a great idea , but the entirety of the console is based on it , leaving nintendo with no hardware power of the system itself....

Now ask yourself , what would you rather have , a system that has the power to run a game in stunning high definition video and sound , with amazing physics to bring the games world to a whole new level of interaction and fun ( and to make this world huge and detailed ), to make you lose trace of reality and feel that you are in this world that you are seeing on screen.........

Or do you want a gamecube with a lightgun with poorly developed motion sensors that respond nothing like advertised?

The amount of demand for this gimmick to me is disgusting ......
And if all people want to do with their games now is wave a remote ( not even accurately tracing the movments on screen , more like a suped up button push )

Instead of having bigger , better , more innovative titles that require the hardware Like this one;)

then there is no hope for gaming:(

[aag567]

The Wii-mote is far from a lightgun, it detects movement and where it is in 3d space, it even detects roll, and there's the accelorometer which detects how much force you've put into a movement. Oh, and it's Xbox hardware, but without the hardware shaders.

[343Guiltyspark]

The Wii-mote is far from a lightgun, it detects movement and where it is in 3d space, it even detects roll, and there's the accelorometer which detects how much force you've put into a movement. Oh, and it's Xbox hardware, but without the hardware shaders.
it does not detect were it is in 3d space , sorry

its a light gun , it wont work if you cover the IR port

[aag567]

Sorry, it does.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wii-mote#Sensing

[343Guiltyspark]

Sorry, it does.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wii-mote#Sensing
nowhere in that entire article does it say it can be tracked in 3d space

it says it has 3 axis's , thats not the same thing


and it even says in the article it sences light

"the Wii Remote senses light from a sensor bar, allowing consistent usage regardless of the type or size of television."

get rid of the light and it does not work

[aag567]

The known real-world dimensions of the spacing between the LEDs on the bar allows the Wii Remote to calculate its distance from the bar

It does.

[343Guiltyspark]

The known real-world dimensions of the spacing between the LEDs on the bar allows the Wii Remote to calculate its distance from the bar

It does.thats not calculating it in 3d space , If it was , you would need sensors all around you

[aag567]

while the tilt and rotation of the Wii Remote with respect to the ground can be calculated from the relative angle of the sensor bar

I was wrong about it detecting its position by itself, but the sensor still gets the job done.

[v3n0m]

I rest my case lol

but everything that 343Guiltyspark has said is true

he also said this

Now ask yourself , what would you rather have , a system that has the power to run a game in stunning high definition video and sound , with amazing physics to bring the games world to a whole new level of interaction and fun ( and to make this world huge and detailed ), to make you lose trace of reality and feel that you are in this world that you are seeing on screen.........

my answer to that is YES!!!!! (duno how to make my word YES!!!!! bigger font :()

[Jimmy]

Sure the remote is a great idea , but the entirety of the console is based on it , leaving nintendo with no hardware power of the system itself....

Now ask yourself , what would you rather have , a system that has the power to run a game in stunning high definition video and sound , with amazing physics to bring the games world to a whole new level of interaction and fun ( and to make this world huge and detailed ), to make you lose trace of reality and feel that you are in this world that you are seeing on screen.........

Or do you want a gamecube with a lightgun with poorly developed motion sensors that respond nothing like advertised?

The amount of demand for this gimmick to me is disgusting ......
And if all people want to do with their games now is wave a remote ( not even accurately tracing the movments on screen , more like a suped up button push )

Instead of having bigger , better , more innovative titles that require the hardware Like this one

then there is no hope for gaming
Why do you find it disgusting that people want to enjoy themselves? Believe me, I cannot sit down with my Wii and play for hours on end. I doubt anyone can. I sit and play my PC for large amounts of time. The Wii is meant for pure fun, and usually it involves more than one person.

Most people who own a Wii have either another console or a PC, or both. They use their consoles or PCs for pure gaming, and they leave the Wii for having a bit of fun and maybe with some friends.

So I still cannot see how the Wii will destroy gaming.

Pushing graphics and sound quality is a way forward for serious gaming, but for people who just want some quick fun, the Wii or DS is a great way to get that. You are missing the point, the Wii isn't a serious gaming machine like the 360 or PS3, its an accessible and reasonably priced product to have some fun with.

I just like you want a game that looks and sounds real, almost feels real. Something I can really get into, maybe not enough for me to lose a sense of reality, but enough to drag me straight in. Several titles have come close to this, Call of Duty 2 in some parts gets me dragged in, Red Orchestra, and perhaps Armed Assault, however for the last two it usually depends on the others who I am playing with.

However, I do still want a bit of fun. So the Wii is great for me. And I think you will find a lot of other Wii owners saying the same.

[343Guiltyspark]

Oh no doubt the wii is great fun

But for serious gaming its a peice of shit , thus i dont need it

[Jimmy]

Thus it poses no threat to gaming.

[Timblesink]

GuiltySpark, you are very animated on this topic it seems... Too bad you make bad points.

You're blatantly saying that gaming is about really good graphics, and not fun. That's so very, very false. Tetris doesn't have HD lighting or normal maps, but it has lasted for decades. Why? It's fun.

You say that the Wiimote has crappy motion detection - You're just using it wrong. Some people have a real problem realising that you have to keep it pointed at the TV for it to work. If you use the Wiimote correctly it has no problems, but if you point it at the wall then of course it's not going to work.

Then, we have the games. On the 360 we have - Gears of War, basically the same as every other shooter, but it's nice and shiny. On the PS3 - Who cares. On the Wii - Zelda (game of the year hands down) and Wario Ware Smooth Moves. I've had countless hours of fun messing around with this game, and I don't care that they don't have next-gen graphics. They have next-gen gameplay. And the artistic direction of both of these games far surpasses HDR and normal maps, anyway.

I really see no reason why the 360 is better than the Wii, apart from hardware. But it's the games that count.

EDIT: After reading through the thread again, I see that GuiltySpark says that the Wii is "for serious gaming a piece of shit". Consoles are not for "serious" gaming - They're just a bit of fun. That's the point. Then we have PCs for everything else. The Wii is far better than the other consoles for this.

"Going to destroy gaming" my arse.

[343Guiltyspark]

In case you didnt notice , Games run on hardware , So hardware is very important.....

Take 1944 D day for example , Amazing game right?

With all of these awsome features like hundreds of thousands of AI units running in real time , one big Detailed open map , and battles going on you are going to need amazing hardware for this EXPERIANCE ........

This game is going to be Very fun , and IMO if it is a hit , will change shooters forever.......

This game could not be done without the advancment of hardware!

Thats why the wii sucks for gaming , its a gamecube with a new type of controller , no new innovations in the engine of the games themselves will happen.....

It will be the same stuff you have been playing with a new controller , If nintendo had Better hardware MAYBE this would be different .......

But at the current rate .......... Wii is not offering any great possibilities into the advancment of the game Development industry......



P.S.

I have played the wii , and zelda is NOT game of the year material!
It is Ocaraina of time with a new controller

[Kirby]

Must say zelda is dissapointing but
Id much rather a game like zelda with some depth and a stunning story, musical score and art. Over say Gears of war crappy name generic done to death story, nothing new. go the 360

Although it does have some good games or at least has 1 in development

Basicly if you can live without visuals go the wii for its library and fidelity
If you like quake remakes go the 360; gears of war, halo, that new capcom game and of course quake.

If you say you need imersive graphics to enjoy youre game you need a pc.
360 is lucky to match a PC in 2002

Finaly you could go the ps3... but only if you need graphics. but are too stupid to use a PC. Although with sonys crappy launch, 8 billion gaming divison loss. I wouldnt even count on a PAL release its going the way of the jaguar

Out of curiosity what would you vote as GOTY?

[343Guiltyspark]

Must say zelda is dissapointing but
Id much rather a game like zelda with some depth and stunning story, musical score and art over say Gears of war crappy name generic done to death story line nothing new go the 360

Although it does have some good games or at least has 1 in development

Basicly if you can live without visuals go the wii for its library and fidelity
If you like quake remakes go the 360 gears of war, halo, that new capcom game and of course quake

And if you say you need imersive graphics to enjoy youre game you need a pc 360 is lucky to match a PC in 2002
Finaly you could go the ps3 if you need graphics but are too stupid to use a PC but with sonys crappy launch 8billion gaming divison loss a wouldnt even count on a PAL release its going the way of the jaguar

1.) That are again , limited by hardware ! You could have had a zelda with a fully orchestrated score , and you could have had amazing graphics to boot

2.)1 good game in development? The 360 has the greatest linup for any console on the market !

Mass effect , Bioshock , Fable 2 , Forza 2 , Assassins creed , Brothers in arms:HH , Virtua fighter 5 , Halo 3 , Ninja gaiden 2 , and the the half life bundle

And thats just in 2007!

What does wii have.......... Mario in space , metroid prime 3 , and super smash bros......... and thats it , everything else is mediocre


3.) lucky to match a pc in 2002 , thats funny :rolleyes:

[343Guiltyspark]

GOTY?

Gears of war easily

[343Guiltyspark]

I mean seriously , this is the future of gaming
http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=15568&type=wmv&pl=game



not this

http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=15055&type=wmv&pl=game

[Jimmy]

So, now your essentially saying the better looking the game is, the better overall it is as a game? That is your opinion my friend, however a lot of people would argue that it would be the actual gameplay, how fun it is to actually play the game, if it keeps you hooked, is the biggest factor of a game's overall score.

Zelda for instance. The gameplay is great. It doesn't need a high end physics engine or full dynamic lighting. Its art style makes it beautiful. Of course, it could look better, but I don't really notice the lack of texture detail on the rocks beside me when I am focusing on having a sword fight am I?

World of Warcraft is yet another example, technically, the game looks like crap. However, aesthetically, it looks beautiful. And players definately do not play it for high end graphics, they play it for the gameplay.

Why do people play these grand strategy games like Hearts of Iron when they could be playing something like Gears of War? Surely they would enjoy a more technically advanced and better looking game? Nope. They want to play the games they enjoy playing.

Now, I am not saying graphics do not matter, and Nintendo make no claim to that either. They just don't see the point trying to lavish their games like Super Mario and Zelda with graphical effects and features the series don't need, and so the Wii's hardware doesn't need to be all to powerful as that of the 360 and PS3.

So, getting things straight here, the Wii is advancing the gaming industry, but in a different direction, whilst the 360, PS3 and PC are also advancing in different directions. The PC mostly towards sheer power and beauty, and online gaming, and the 360 and PS3 following suit. The Wii is looking for games that are pleasing to look at, but its the way you play them that it wants to change, not how many blades of grass you can see in a computer generated field at one time.

My opinion on the whole thing is this:

The Wii is a great machine. Its great for fun gaming, and its advancing the gaming industry towards a new style of playing. The 360 is also a great machine. Its a classic console with enough power to make some really spectacular looking games in terms of techical graphics. And finally, the PC seems to be the one that is advancing the most, in terms of overall power and graphics, mainly because of its upgradability, companies can keep pushing as the hardware gets better.

I don't see why the gaming industry cannot advance in these two directions at once, and I also don't see why, when these two directions are good enough, they can merge again.

Oh, and just to keep on the actual topic here, heres the list of Wii games I am currently looking forward to:

Excitetruck, SSX Blur, Sonic and the Secret Rings, Tiger Woods PGA Tour 2007, Blazing Angels, Medal of Honor: Vanguard, Battalion Wars II, Metroid Prime 3: Corruption, Super Smash Brothers Brawl, Super Mario Galaxy. No More Heroes sounds interesting as well.

[343Guiltyspark]

"So, now your essentially saying the better looking the game is, the better overall it is as a game?"

NO!

Im saying there are going to be WAY less possibilities of having "revolutionary" titles without the hardware to do it

When i say Hardware , Im not talking about the graphics!

The hardware limits what the system can do! Thus limiting the development possibilities of the platform THUS LIMITING DEVELOPERS INTEREST!

If you have played dark massiah or half life 2 you would know how important things like physics are in a game , Even taking games into new ways of playing them

Example PORTAL

Thats the direction creative development should be going in , not new controllers to play mini games and rehashes with



And BTW , nintendo DID say graphics dont matter

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/02/02/nvidia-saying-graphics-dont-matter-is-nonsense/

[aag567]

http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=8781&type=wmv&pl=game

Looks very revolutionary to me, hardware can open new types of gameplay, so can motion sensing. Btw, keep up with the times, Nintendo doesn't use mini-discs anymore.

[343Guiltyspark]

http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=8781&type=wmv&pl=game

Looks very revolutionary to me, hardware can open new types of gameplay, so can motion sensing. Btw, keep up with the times, Nintendo doesn't use mini-discs anymore.

So since when does a fan mock up constitute the possibility of that actually happening with the wii?

And Most of that wont be possible with the Wii's hardware , so dont get your hopes up

[aag567]

All that stuff is possible on the Wii, I don't know about the cloth tearing physics though. And I thought you cared about "what a system can do", not what it's doing.

[ShaunCowdell]

Dude! What the fuck?!
You claim to be a gamer and yet you disregard game-play?
If everyone wanted better graphics for everything we'd end up with more crying fanboys like you spamming forums.
I still play Baldur's Gate... That came from 1999... Oh and yet me and many others are still playing it?! And what about Final Fantasy VII? All the way from 1997 and yet people STILL play and love it! Yet it doesn't have the best graphics... How about that...
And of course there's The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind. This game came out in 2002 and people STILL play it! They still have MANY active forums on it, I invested 4 days straight into this game. Why? Because it has GREAT game-play.
I could go on and on about these sorts of games but in the end the only type of people who care are the annoying fanboys who couldn't care less about the same game-play over and over again but the graphics.

In SHORT the wii IS NOT going to destroy gaming as we know it... Oh no it's not It's people like you! People like you who are only going to ask/buy the same sort of games that have to SHINE to be playable!

[343Guiltyspark]

putting words in peoples mouths is pretty funny guys!

[ShaunCowdell]

I could tell you what is really funny on this thread....

[Kirby]

Gears of war for GOTY? Why?

All the consoles have there ups and downs if you want to say how much you love the xbox start your own thread.

If graphics are everything then why did last gen the console with the worst graphics sell so many consoles in fact in the history of games consoles has the console with the best graphics been on top? NO

And you keep saying how everyone wants big immersive graphics and not evoloution and new ideas, If this is so then why has the wii sold thousands fore consoles than the 360 even though the 360 had a 6 month head start.

Simple because nobody wants to pay a huge sum for games they already have on an underpowered machine which they probably alreay have in there study or on there lap already.

Do you say a book is good because it has large text and is printed on modern equiptment? NO last I checked Robert louise stevenson is regarded as a far better writter than dan brown.

Gamers want content and new original ideas, Microsoft share holders want safe proven investments you wont get great immersive games on the 360

And of all the games you listed only Halo is a Microsoft first party title and its not even exclusive and those of us who have played Quake and Halo 2 arent expecting much more then another chapter in the generic storyline

In closing of the rant if you want to say how great the 360 is start your own god damn thread

[Timblesink]

2.)1 good game in development? The 360 has the greatest linup for any console on the market !

Mass effect , Bioshock , Fable 2 , Forza 2 , Assassins creed , Brothers in arms:HH , Virtua fighter 5 , Halo 3 , Ninja gaiden 2 , and the the half life bundle

And thats just in 2007!

Am I the only one who realised how all of those are sequels or exactly the same as some other game from the XBox?

The 360 doesn't suck, just the Wii definitely doesn't either.