Biased Yet Interesting Source

[2ltben]

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/usinterventionism.html

I was digging into 20th century proxy wars when I happened on this little ditty. The website itself is very biased and one should crossreference and seek out any opinion to view it in the light it should be viewed in, but the lists provided are actually a great reference for US and Cold War history.

[Kaos]

That could come in handy, thanks.

[Wubbles]

except for the fact the US doesnt use biological weapons, and they dont use chemicals as weapons, but flares, and the such.

In fact, the US has never used biological weapons.

and DU is not a weapon, but its used in them, if DU is a weapon so is Lead and Steel.

and a 1992-1992 – United States (LA uprising): success (OF) LA UPRISING? haha...

this wont come in handy, since its full of innaccuracies.

[DavidUpton]

I beg to differ...

"White phosphorus is a common allotrope of the chemical element phosphorus which has found extensive military application as an incendiary agent [1], smoke-screening agent, and as an antipersonnel flame compound capable of causing serious burns[2]. It has been called a chemical weapon by many people and organizations. It is commonly referred to in military jargon as "WP". The Vietnam War era slang "Willy(ie) Pete" or "Willy(ie) Peter" is still occasionally heard."

[Wubbles]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_phosphorus


"It is not a chemical weapon. It is an incendiary. And it is well within the law of war to use those weapons as they're being used, for marking and for screening".


Yes, it was used as an incendiary weapon against enemy combatants. When you have enemy forces that are in covered positions that your high explosive artillery rounds are not having an impact on and you wish to get them out of those positions, one technique is to fire a white phosphorus round into the position because the combined effects of the fire and smoke - and in some case the terror brought about by the explosion on the ground - will drive them out of the holes so that you can kill them with high explosives (i.e. "shake & bake").

Used to flush enemy out of protective positions, white phosphorus does not come deployable as a weapon persay, you dont have a 500lb wp bomb, but rather used in artillery and mortar shells for marking and smoke screens, when dropped on fighting positions it flushed the enemy out into HE rounds which killed them.


and they dont use chemicals as weapons, but flares, and the such.

is correct.

[DavidUpton]

It is a chemical...

http://www.nsc.org/ehc/chemical/phsphor.htm

"White phosphorus (CAS #7723-14-0) is an element which does not occur naturally."

And it has even been admitted that it has been used as a weapon.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/11/9/164137/436

". . . there is no way you can use white phosphorus like that without forming a deadly chemical cloud that kills everything within a tenth of a mile in all directions from where it hits. Obviously, the effect of such deadly clouds weren't just psychological in nature."

[Wubbles]

". . . there is no way you can use white phosphorus like that without forming a deadly chemical cloud that kills everything within a tenth of a mile in all directions from where it hits. Obviously, the effect of such deadly clouds weren't just psychological in nature."

thats laughable at best.

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=81960

Second post has pictures of a white phosphorus grenade being used as cover.

Instead of acting like i know what im talking about, i asked the people who use it often, and spend time in dangerous places.

It is a chemical, no denying it.

But it is not used as a weapon by any modern day military forces. It is used for smoke screens and the like.

It has not been admitted to be used as a weapon, it was used to flush enemy from hiding into HE rounds. Did you not bother reading what i put up there?

[DavidUpton]

I did read your post... And I was using a quote from a website to point out that it is a gass, therefore it spreads out, gets blown by the wind and can do some serious dammage.

Also:

"On November 15 2005, Dept. of Defense spokesman Lieutenant-Colonel Barry Venable confirmed to the BBC that WP had been used as an antipersonnel weapon in Fallujah:

Yes, it was used as an incendiary weapon against enemy combatants. When you have enemy forces that are in covered positions that your high explosive artillery rounds are not having an impact on and you wish to get them out of those positions, one technique is to fire a white phosphorus round into the position because the combined effects of the fire and smoke - and in some case the terror brought about by the explosion on the ground - will drive them out of the holes so that you can kill them with high explosives (i.e. "shake & bake"). [18]"

[Wubbles]

I did read your post... And I was using a quote from a website to point out that it is a gass, therefore it spreads out, gets blown by the wind and can do some serious dammage.

... in the link i provided it shows pictures of men training in smoke from a white phosphorus grenade.



"On November 15 2005, Dept. of Defense spokesman Lieutenant-Colonel Barry Venable confirmed to the BBC that WP had been used as an antipersonnel weapon in Fallujah:

Yes, it was used as an incendiary weapon against enemy combatants. When you have enemy forces that are in covered positions that your high explosive artillery rounds are not having an impact on and you wish to get them out of those positions, one technique is to fire a white phosphorus round into the position because the combined effects of the fire and smoke - and in some case the terror brought about by the explosion on the ground - will drive them out of the holes so that you can kill them with high explosives (i.e. "shake & bake"). [18]"

Whatever, im going to stop if you wont even read what im throwing up here. I put that quote in here already, you ignored it.

[DavidUpton]

You missed my point. Let me highlight it for you:


On November 15 2005, Dept. of Defense spokesman Lieutenant-Colonel Barry Venable confirmed to the BBC that WP had been used as an antipersonnel weapon in Fallujah

Yes, it was used as an incendiary weapon against enemy combatants.

Thats all I am going to say.

Now, back on topic.

[luno]

Hello
I did post the photos on militaryphotos. And it show soldier using a rökfakla (smoke torch) to simulate a NBC attack.if you look closely on the picture you gone notice that the soldiers are using NBC protection.

the smoke from white phosphorus are not deadly but it will make it hard to breath and can cause panic


http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/7504/fvungrokgmg10hx.jpg

[Hyperion2010]

Next thing you know people will complain that bullets are inhumane (actually, the current calibers are, since they are supposed to wound severly and not kill, but thats another argument).

When someone says chemical weapon they usually mean something that will interact with the body's chemistry to cause death (like poison gas or something that inhibited nerve impulses) often they are Organic compounds (sorta have to be at a certain level to kill something biological). Biological weapons happen to be things which are, oh, lets say "alive."

Correct me if that analysis is incorrect, but I believe that it is.